The Recruiting Inferno

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Posted by Steve on May 2, 2011
Posted in: Love, Mom. 12 Comments

Being a professional means different things to different people.

It might mean seriously considering, without ridicule, the opinions of a co-worker or boss; maintaining a lifeless empirical decorum when your work is criticized by your manager; or speaking in only positive terms about the leadership structure of your company despite the internal fomenting of bad organizational tidies. Notwithstanding these differences, there is one universal element of being a professional that seems to be consistent: Being a professional means keeping one’s personal life away from work. Perhaps I’m not a professional because I’ve always failed at doing this.

My 83 year old, pain-in-the-arse-but-I-still-love-her-dearly Mom is starting radiation treatment for a form of cancer of her uterine lining. This on top of DVT, CPOD, diabetes, and Alzheimer’s (one good thing about Alzheimer’s is that we think she forgot about the recent death of her brother, God rest Marty’s soul).  Yet she hasn’t lost her great sense of humor.

When we learned about the cancer, the initial course of action was to schedule a hysterectomy. With my Mom, you never know what kind of reaction you’ll get from any news – good or bad. In this instance, Mom grew a little pensive then turned to Dad and asked, “Charlie, we’re not planning on having any more children, are we?” It was a brief second or two – and an utter look of horror on the face of my 87 year old Dad – before Mom just broke out into a hearty Mom-laugh. Yes, she zapped us.

Several weeks ago, we went to the Bar Mitzvah of my second cousin in Morristown, NJ. It’s easier for Mom to get around in a wheelchair (forgot to mention that she also had one of her hips replaced about 8 months ago) so Mom was sitting in the back of the synagogue during the ceremony. When my cousin’s entrance into Jewish manhood was complete and it was time to head over to the reception, the entire family stopped to welcome Mom (my Mom and Dad are the matriarch and patriarch of clan Levy). One of my relatives grabbed Mom’s hand and spoke in a relatively loud but slow voice, “ANITA – WE’RE – SO – HAPPY – TO – SEE – YOU – AND – GLAD – YOU – COULD – MAKE – IT” to which my Mom replied, “I don’t remember who you are but I’m not deaf.”

My sister and I simply shook our heads and chuckled.

I joke with Mom that because of the radiation treatment she’ll have to go to “The House of the Recruiting Inferno” for a new hairstyle; she smiles and says that I have a beautiful head. When she sees me, she smiles and gushes, “It’s my Stevie.” Her response is the same for my sister and brother. I know who’s comforting whom.

There are relatively few moments when I’m not thinking of Mom; but where I used to see her smiling face, I now see fear. Parents aren’t supposed to show fear; they’re rocks…invincible…they laugh at danger.

But now the roles are reversed and it’s sobering to be the parent of a parent. There are many books about being a great parent but very little about being the parent of a parent. My Mom wrote notes to me as I was growing up; the one I remember the most was when she told me how proud she was to have me as a son because somehow I was “smart” enough to set the dinner table when I was around 3 years old. She sure had low expectations of “smart”!

Keeping a safe distance from my family pains isn’t easy for me anymore. I think it’s important for others to know that I’m feeling angst over my Mom’s declining health not because it affects my work but because it affects me. It’s not about sympathy but reality; it’s not about work performance but about what drives me. We talk about human resources but too often neglect to take into account the whole person.

If only my Mom knew how proud I am of her for all she has given me. Sure I’ve told her but I’m just not sure if she remembers…

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Interviewing in a smoke screen

Posted by Steve on April 4, 2011
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[recycled – and modified – Levy post]

From somewhere on the Internet, I saw these questions; I think they hold potential:

  • Which of the “Facts of Life” girls are you most like?
  • If you were a deodorant would you be a roll-on, stick or spray?
  • Do you prefer Emmanuel Lewis or Gary Coleman?
  • Would you rather have Ebola or Smallpox?
  • Would you rather have bamboo shoved under your nails, Chinese water torture or your ankles chewed off by a pack of wild dogs?
  • If you were a fruit/marsupial/despotic leader of a third world country/[fill in the blank], which would you be?

Questions like these are asked in an attempt to unearth some special insight into a person’s psyche as a means to ascertain fit (or perhaps mental instability).

I just think they’re asked because someone doesn’t have enough sense – or ability – to define the performance profile of the job in question. When someone asks these, all they’re doing is creating a smoke screen so people can’t see how little they know about the real job.

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#HireFriday Meets #SocialMedia Today at Noon

Posted by Steve on February 11, 2011
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Don’t miss #HFChat Noon – 1:00 PM EST when the #HireFriday community gets together to pay it forward. It’s Social Media Week!

#HFChat is where the #HireFriday community meets to help the #jobseeker find work…Noon – 1 PM EST today. It’s Social Media Week!

#HireFriday meets #socialmedia today Noon – 1 PM EST #jobs #jobsearch #recruiting #HR #sourcing

Margo Rose has asked me to assist in moderating today’s #HireFriday chat; she’s ducky, hunky and dory and will be back on the saddle next week.

Before we delve into today’s questions, the #HFChat team has a request to those who lurk but don’t participate…please, please, please – jump into the water! You won’t drown (I’m a Jones Beach Lifeguard – I can save you if you get over your head)…

If nothing else, introduce yourself before you head back to the lurking bench. However, we would very much like you to offer your perspectives and your experiences on today’s topic. We promise that #HFChat is a “No Judgment Zone”…

Did you know that there are hundreds of #socialmedia sites (Click on the link and check this out)? How does one choose? Which ones are most effective?

Q1: How has #LinkedIn changed the way you look for a job/look for a candidate? # HFChat
Q2: Do you use #Facebook to search for a job or look for a candidate? If yes how? #hfchat
Q3: Besides #HireFriday and #HFChat how do you leverage twitter for job search/candidate search?
Q4: What does your email address say about you? Recruiters: does the addy tell you anything? # HFChat
Q5: What other online tools do you use to search for jobs/candidates? # HFChat

Remember: Use Tweetchat with the hashtag #HFChat to participate in (or just lurk – it’s OK) in today’s #HFChat where we discuss #Socialmedia…

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Back to the Future – at least to 2006

Posted by Steve on February 6, 2011
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Before Old Man Sumser was talking about influence in no uncertain terms, his Electronic Recruiting News (aka ERNIE) was THE must read. I might be mistaken but John has been the longest writing recruiting curmudgeon in our profession; his is one opinion – agree with him or not – that you must read if you want to be at the bloody edge of recruiting.

I came across my ERNIE review of 2006 while cleaning out files; reading one’s older work can be sobering especially if your MO is to stick your neck out. Overall, I think I did pretty well…

Top 10 in 2006 (V7)



(December 26, 2006)
After years, we finally met Steve Levy this fall. For some reason, we had him pictured as a shortish older fellow with really big ears (It’s probably the impish quality in his writing). We were surprised to find a young energetic noticeably bald guy. At least we got the impish ears right.

That’s the way it is with people you read online. You develop these incredible, usually inaccurate mental maps and decide you know the guy. Usually, nothing is farther from the truth than an image you create with limited feedback. So it was with Mr. Levy.

Occasionally here, more likely here, Levy’s voice is biting, sarcastic and very, very clear. It’s a must read. As is usually the case in great writing, having an opinion matters. Levy knows how to have one. Here’s his take on 2006:

2006 has been no different that any other year in recruiting – really, the more things change the more they stay the same. Recruiting has always been like the Matchmaker song from Fiddler on the Roof. New technology comes and goes, productivity increases then decreases then increases – it’s like the building of roadways around New York City by Robert Moses in the mid-1900s: traffic increased, more roadways were built, these roadways became clogged again, build another road, etc. The basic premise here is still moving from point A to point B as expeditiously, comfortably and safely as possible. Just like recruiting – finding the best person for the opportunity as expeditiously, comfortably and safely as possible. How has 2006 changed this?

Not at all.

  • Consider the passive candidate. In 1998, he wrote about an HR Manager from Chicago getting all worked up about recruiters peeling back URLs to find company directories and finding passive jobseekers – she complained it was like stealing someone’s wallet right off a table. John snorted (yes, he snorts), “The idea that recruiting so-called “passive candidates” is stealing sounds like a deep rationalization for poor performance on a critical strategic task.” In 2006, more people became aware of how to identify and recruit the passive candidate – not only the ones on the Deep Web but also those who can only be reached through old-fashioned brick and mortar, pick-up-the-phone and dial-and-smile. This is utterly fantastic – regardless of how one gets to these people – the magnifying focus on the passive person is a best of 2006. Ultimately those who can deep search and phone source will find themselves at the top of the market while those who cannot…
  • Consider discussions on ethics. Was there something in the water used by Starbucks in their coffee or Coke/Pepsi in their soda? Was there a sudden infarction in one corner of the Universe that mutated the genetic code of recruiters causing them to suddenly feel guilty about recruiting people away from companies? The vocal outburst by a few recruiters has been noticed by those who do not see a problem in our industry – I think I may have been one of these people (lol). If nothing else, I was certainly opinionated towards the got ethics? debate at ERE San Diego. Ah, the halcyon days of ethics in 2006.

    The issue is not so much the use of what some may consider to be unethical techniques but is more so the pervasiveness of the problem. Whether you want to believe it or not, no data exists proving that we have a problem in our profession. I called my friend at the AESC and asked about surveys that measured the breadth of “unethical behavior in the executive retained industry…no data. All in all, an entire year of discussion…but no data. My hope is that our industry does not develop an industry wide code of conduct but rather promotes education to companies, recruiters and candidates. Once educated, I strongly believe that market forces would begin to weed out the “lesser” performers – especially given the number of communication vehicles available for sharing such information. As they say at Syms, an educated consumer is our best customer.

  • Consider the increase in the number of recruiting blogs. Some good, some bizarre, some serious, some comical. But the sheer number of blogs portends that many viewpoints will continue to be aired – and this is a slam dunk for our profession. In 2006, recruiter-centric threads went nose-to-nose with candidate-centric ones: The nexus of these two has resulted in a mutual, “I never knew you felt this way” – as evidenced by the number of mutual posts and comments (see Steven Rothberg’s CollegeRecruiter blogs and Jason Alba’s JibberJobber blog). This has been a slam dunk and education for everyone. But what I’d like to see in 2007 are CEOs blogging about their company’s quest for talent – now this would be revolutionary.
  • Consider the escalation of staffing in SHRM. No, I’m not kidding. There are still less than 20 EMA chapters and well over 500 general SHRM chapters in North America – and far too many generalists still believe cost-per-hire is a valuable performance metric for recruiting – yet when SHRM’s LINE report (leading indicators of national employment based out of Rutgers University), finally took off in 2006, SHRM took a quantum leap in the right direction. Please SHRM – more!
  • Consider the definition of an applicant. Do we have to? Has any recent government ruling generated so many puzzled looks by recruiters than the one issued by the OFCCP? Simple FAQs aside, did this ruling ever create a cottage industry for our profession: Job boards, ATS’, consultants – it was the recruiting industry’s version of Y2K.
  • Consider Radio Shack. Trash 80 is now Trash 06. See? No one ever really learns – companies and recruiters. And they won’t in 2007. Incidents like these just demonstrate that Groundhog Day exists in Recruiting.
  • Consider Armed Forces Recruiting. You think you have a problem because people don’t know your company well and your salary is at the 50th percentile? Try recruiting people to join a service branch – especially a frontline one – when the media details every death and injury each day. Yet the recruiters who sit in local stations and become part of the community and try and educate people about the benefits of being a soldier, a pilot or a seaman are cursed at, have doors slammed in their faces, and are lied to every day. Despite this, 2006 proved to be a success for them in meeting their goals. I’m proud to be a COI – Circle of Influence, someone who works with local recruiters to identify and implement alternative forms of recruiting. And I’m a better recruiter for it.
  • Consider Monster. Naughty, naughty. And from the recruiting industry no less. Now, where are their ethics???
  • Consider that even consumer product companies are changing their ads to reflect workers. We all know that Madison Avenue still primarily presents us as geezers, using likenesses for medical ads. Yet there are changes – even I’ve-fallen-and-I-can’t-get-up has gone younger…need we even mention Viagra? What this portends – and I’ve seen the move towards ads that accurately reflect their target audiences – is that the hiring of older people will continue to grow as companies view for workers who can help them generate greater revenues. So to the younger recruiters out there – do you think you know me?

These are my major happenings for 2006. What do they mean to most recruiters? Probably not too much. Recruiting is still like politics where elections are won by shaking hands and kissing babies. Technology may help remedy the administrative quicksand that seems to be growing deeper but we still have to get out there and press the flesh. So for 2007, why not stop using that job board for one week, and take a stack of business cards, a pad of paper, and some pens down to that coffee shop (I’d recommend Starbucks) near where some companies are introduce yourself.

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Toughest Interview Questions Ever

Posted by Steve on January 26, 2011
Posted in: Interview. 1 Comment

Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Sir Lancelot: Ask me the questions, Bridgekeeper. I am not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your name?
Sir Lancelot: My name is Sir Lancelot of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your quest?
Sir Lancelot: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your favourite colour?
Sir Lancelot: Blue.

Bridgekeeper: Go on. Off you go.
Sir Lancelot: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.

Sir Robin: That’s easy.

Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who approacheth the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Sir Robin: Ask me the questions, Bridgekeeper. I’m not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your name?
Sir Robin: Sir Robin of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your quest?
Sir Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What… is the capital of Assyria?
[pause]
Sir Robin: I don’t know that.
[he is thrown over the edge into the volcano]
Sir Robin: Auuuuuuuugh.

Bridgekeeper: Stop. What… is your name?
Galahad: Sir Galahad of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your quest?
Galahad: I seek the Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your favourite colour?
Galahad: Blue. No, yel…
[he is also thrown over the edge]
Galahad: auuuuuuuugh.

Bridgekeeper: Hee hee heh. Stop. What… is your name?
King Arthur: It is ‘Arthur’, King of the Britons.

Bridgekeeper: What… is your quest?
King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What… is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?

Bridgekeeper: Huh? I… I don’t know that.
[he is thrown over]
Bridgekeeper: Auuuuuuuugh.

Sir Bedevere: How do know so much about swallows?

King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you’re a king, you know.

 

And the long video…

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Real Thank You Letters

Posted by Steve on January 3, 2011
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Many experts give advice; few show you what they do (and by no means am I an expert). I’ve been interviewing companies in my search for a recruiting leadership position and I figured you might enjoy reading what my Thank You letters look like.

I know they’re not perfect but they’re me, they’re honest, and I believe they reiterate the challenges I heard and reinforce what I can do to resolve these challenges.

After first interview:

Name–

Frankly, I was hoping to have sent this note sooner but at least I made my 48 hour response window!

Thanks for Monday and for sharing as much as you did about the state of recruiting at Company. I’m not one to toss around superlatives when a healthy dose of reality is what is needed; my ears heard challenges and opportunities – but the opportunities appear to be within your grasp…our grasp…given the global impact of Company’s products.

I see a need to create and inculcate a three-year workforce plan that tracks with the PEST environments; I’ve always had success in convincing managers to buy into these plans.

I see a need to identify and take advantage of new talent pools – quasi-hidden ones – that require real relationship building to become productive pipelines; I’ll show you a great one on Monday (I’m excited just thinking about this).

I see a need to teach all employees how to be better talent scouts and hand off high potentials to the recruiting organization; it is always breathtaking when a VP comes into the office and tells us, “I met this person at the airport – and we really need them.” Same goes for recruiters who excitedly relate stories about how they met someone while on vacation who just sent them their resume.

Name, I’m very bullish about our mutual convergent needs, experiences, and professional goals. Looking forward to Monday.

Happy Holidays…

After second interview (which was delayed because of a small little blizzard):

Name–

Once again, thanks for the time and the ears last week; I’m getting a clearer picture of Company’s recruiting landscape.

Without equivocation, better planning and better pipelines are areas of interest for continuous improvement but I also hear that whoever comes in will have to partner with hiring managers as initiatives are undertaken. As far as I see it – as biased a point of view as there is – I’ve worked for many types of companies, each in different places in their business and talent cycles and will bring to Company a quiver filled with many types of arrows each useful in unique situations (I hope you don’t mind the arrow metaphor).

To reiterate my “outside” recruiting work and my social media efforts don’t take up much of my week – they’re nothing more than creating, building, and maintaining relationships that have always been vital to my recruiting. Obviously, if we go to press, I’ll jettison my recruiting work. However, those with whom I interact with through blogging, Twitter, Facebook, etc. often end up as sources of hire, subject-matter experts, and counsel. One very positive thing my writings have produced are speaking engagements – which would be done under the Company banner if our talks progress to that point.

Finally, while I have many ideas about how to create a superlative recruiting organization, I am not someone who makes changes for the sake of changing. My friends and colleagues know me as a coach and mentor – two ears and one mouth that are used proportionally.

Happy New Year and I’m really looking forward to the next steps.

What do you think? And yes, I do think I use my ears and mouth proportionally. Snort…

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Hire a Rockstar? No Thanks

Posted by Steve on December 23, 2010
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Everyone wants to hire a rockstar…sorry, a RRRROCKSTAR!

Okie-dokie…let’s look at a few rockstars and ask them a few interview questions:

Years ago, Ozzy Osbourne (of Black Sabbath fame although my younger readers might know him more from his family’s MTV series) showed up at a meeting at CBS Records’ Los Angeles office to embark on his solo career. His wife Sharon sensed that the executives weren’t keen on Osbourne so she had Ozzy show up at the meeting with a few live doves in his pockets and with the plan of releasing them into the air at an opportune time. Instead, Osbourne took one of the doves out of his pocket and bit its head off as the executives screamed in horror (imagine the blood spurting out of the bird’s neck stump).

Ozzy, you have quite an impressive background in generating massive amounts of revenue but your behavior is not the kind that necessarily blends with our corporate culture. Can you explain your management style and how biting the head off a dove fits in with this style? Also, can you give me an example of how you used your dove technique in managing difficult associates?

The late (what a surprise) Keith Moon, drummer of The Who (one of my favorite bands of all time) was one of the first rockstars to throw some – or all – of his instruments around stage. Guitarist Pete Townshend soon followed by smashing his Stratocaster to smithereens, and pretty soon a trend was born.

Mr. Moon, while your musical abilities are unquestionably superlative and your rhythm unparalleled, we’re concerned that if we hire you, every successful project you complete will require us to buy you a new computer, desk, lamp, and trash can. Can you assure us that you won’t continue your smashing ways if we hire you?

Rockstars are known to make crazy demands for everything from food to the color of their dressing rooms. To label most rockstars as high maintenance is like making the outlandish statement that the sky is blue. I’ve read where before a big show, Mariah Carey requires a box of bendy straws and Captain Crunch cereal and J-Lo needs a white room with white flowers and white curtains – not eggshell or linen but pure white.

Mariah, we’re pleased that you’ve essentially accepted the monetary portion of our offer to join us as our Chief Diva Officer but we’re concerned about the changes you made to the employment agreement particularly the paragraph where you state that you will only work every fourth business day and require the receptionist to roll out a red carpet upon your arrival while, and I quote, “the building’s cleaning crew will line up on both sides of the red carpet in a genuflecting position while holding their brooms like sabers in a V-position crossing over said red carpet.” We might have a problem with this…

We’re all too familiar with Lady Gaga In the New York City area; seems as if every paper has been printed with her on the front page in various stages of drunkenness, undress, and playing with her middle finger. Last baseball season, Gaga showed up at the New York Mets game in June wearing a leather jacket over a bikini. But when spotted by fans and photographers, she threw a hissy fit which required Mets’ officials to escort her into Jerry Seinfeld’s luxury box, where she proceeded to flip the fans the bird – over and over again.

Lady, as you know, we conduct an extensive reference check prior to receiving an offer. Given that we believe in honesty as a corporate policy, will our reference checking vendor uncover any pictures, videos, stories or any otherwise “inappropriate behavior” that might negatively impact the positive image of our company held by our most ardent customers?

For quite some time, the then-28-year-old Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page had a long-running affair with a 14-year-old groupie; everyone knew about it but no one did anything to dissuade Mr. Page from continuing the obviously illegal and immoral relationship.

Mr. Page, the Huntington School District is pleased that you’ll be joining our staff as a new music teacher in our middle school. It is clear you have great enthusiasm for teaching boys and girls to appreciate music…

George Michael needed more than “Faith” to beat (sorry, poor word choice) his 1998 arrest for “engaging in a lewd act” in a public restroom; find the details yourself but I can assure you that no one played a father figure.

George, as you know this is a hands-on position and I’m concerned that your experience has been substantially more strategic. What do you think?

Finally, the late Freddie Mercury held a unique launch party for his 1978 album Jazz which included “naked hermaphrodite dwarves serving cocaine from trays strapped to their heads, transsexual strippers, naked dancers in bamboo cages, nude models wrestling in baths filled with raw liver and Samoan women smoking cigarettes with their genitals.”

I can’t even begin to think of a question I might have used…

Rockstars regularly exhibit bizarre behaviors, destroy things, are high maintenance, and consume mass quantities of alcohol and other controlled substances.

Do you really want to hire a rockstar?

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Make 2011 the Year of the Veteran

Posted by Steve on December 15, 2010
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Had a wonderful chat with a fellow at a local Starbucks about the military; at one point, this quote from A Few Good Men just came over my lips…

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

It’s easy in the age of Wikileaks to excoriate those who serve and call them murderers. It’s easy to make the outlandish claim that GenY doesn’t care about serving and protecting but not mention MOH recipient SSG Sal Giunta. It’s easy to ban a Charles Whittington from school because someone was afraid of his PTSD but not mention that “his instructor gave him an A and suggested that he seek publication for the piece.”

It’s far more difficult to wave off our veterans than to sit with them, counsel them, and hire them.

I’ve decided that I’m going to be one of the recruiters who will press our profession and our country to do more for those transitioning out of the military. I have some ideas – early 2011 we’ll have our first #miljobchat on Twitter – and believe that we’ll all be better off for thanking those who are serving and those who served with not just assistance but real elbow-to-elbow collaboration as they embark on their post-military careers.

Rob Dromgoole and I started 1000 Recruiters of Light in 2010 but it’s now time to make it work: If we have to we’ll go company to company to recruit recruiters who will be their company’s point person to develop and inculcate affinity groups for veterans. We will go executive to executive if needed to convince them to partner with someone currently in-service – perhaps even the same unit as when they served – and counsel them through the professional element of their transition to civilian life.

If our government won’t help them, we will.

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I Fart in Your General Direction: Stubborn and Arrogant Recruiters

Posted by Steve on December 14, 2010
Posted in: LinkedIn, Recruiting, sourcing. 13 Comments

[Remember one of the first castle scenes from Monty Python and The Holy Grail? It’s one of the inspirations for this post – watch it especially 1:57 in]

A recruiter who could care less what their quarry thinks about them? This brand of headhunter exists? You betcha!

Scott McKearney and Wojciech Zielinski, Moderators Manager for LinkedPHPers, the largest group of its kind on LinkedIn, are rip-roaring mad (as mad as a developer can get which when considering the Wikileaks supporters is pretty darn angry and vituperative):  They’re  deleting recruiters from the Group because these people simply won’t listen to their requests to post jobs in the Jobs section rather than directly in the Discussions.

Here’s the title of the Discussion thread that’s getting:

WARNING RECRUITERS-DELETE, AND BLOCK IN FORCE

IF I FIND THAT YOU HAVE POSTED A JOB IN THE DISCUSSION SECTION YOU WILL BE DELETED AND BLOCKED FROM REJOINING THE GROUP. ASK THE FIVE I JUST DID THIS TO THIS MORNING.

See how mad they are? All caps. Makes me shiver.

One member is referring to recruiters posting  in the discussion as “the plague” – that’s both funny and telling.

These people are serious: “Just a short info for people that still does not believe that me or Scott are really removing people that does not follow the rules – on the Blocked list we already have 163 members and counting…” And correct in their actions – there’s a Job section, can Linkedin make posting jobs to group any easier?

One recruiter even posted back:

“Sorry people, I post my jobs via ShareThis. There is no option for the jobs section. Ban me you want. I’ll continue to post my jobs to my PHP group at [deleted] – Join there if you wish. Have a nice day.”

Pretty stubborn and arrogant.

This recruiter is pretty much saying, “Well, if I can’t play here, I’ll just take my ball elsewhere. Nanny, nanny, poo-poo.” I say find a different app or for a group such as this one with a significant user base, post by hand for which I have to say, “why bite the hand that feeds you?”

Recruiters need to learn to respect the wishes of the people who might end up being candidates; saying FU isn’t the best way to win friends and influence people.

And we wonder where the negative feelings towards recruiters come from?

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Interview Like a Consultant

Posted by Steve on December 7, 2010
Posted in: #hfchat, #jobhuntchat, #megajobhuntchat, Consultant, Interview. 24 Comments

Note: This is a long post and there’s quite a bit to digest. Please read it through and see if you can apply my suggestions to a recent interview. Thx… ~Steve

I mentioned on last night’s #megajobhuntchat that a “better” way to interview is to be a consultant. Everyone knows the standard regurgitation interview practiced by nearly all recruiters and hiring managers – these are the ones for which the experts have you prep for such stellar questions as “What are your strengths and weakness?” and can last for as short as five minutes. Look folks, I’m a reasonably engaging person and the last thing I want when I interview are soulless bobbleheads. Gimme some meat! Or TVP…

The inherent problem with interviews is that by playing it by the book (could be a parachute book) you’re simply one of the twelve blind men touching then describing the elephant; interviewing like a consultant allows you to be all twelve and come away with a description of an elephant.

While I might be seeking a position that is higher on the corporate totem pole than the one you’re seeking, I believe that by incorporating consultant-focused interviewing principles into your strategy you’ll see your interview “open up” into a more fruitful conversation – rather than a stress inducing, stomach grinding activity.

When a company hires a consultant, there are three overarching questions that the company uses to gate the person selling their expertise:

  • Do they understand my business?
  • Will they offer me a unique point of view?
  • Can they demonstrate how they can deliver “economic value”?

These should sound very familiar to job seekers, recruiters, and hiring managers – sort of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit of talent acquisition.

To make an impact you’re going to have to address these three areas; no matter the position, at some level, you’re going to have to understand some element of the business, you’re going to have to offer solutions that make higher-ups say “Wow”, and above all, you’re going to have to demonstrate your impact on the balance sheet. Doesn’t matter if you’re a co-op student or the new CEO, these questions need to be answered for that offer to be extended. Incidentally, my first exposure to even the lowest person on the totem pole having an impact on the bottom-line was when I read Jack Stack’s The Great Game of Business, his story about SRC and one of the drivers of open-book management. SRC’s story and results proved that everyone in an organization has bottom-line impact; the challenge is to find the connection. Seque…

Now…what are the questions for which you require answers?

  • What are the problems of the company that you hope to resolve/solve?
  • What are they presently doing to resolve/solve the problems?
  • What has been previously tried and why did these methods succeed or fail?
  • What resources – internal and external – will be available to resolve/solve the problems?
  • Do they have a vision for the work that you will perform?
  • What are the time constraints to resolve/solve the problems?
  • What budget has been allocated to resolve/solve the problems and what factors would cause this budget to deviate?
  • What risks are you and the company willing to take in resolving/solving the problems?
  • Who are the customers and how do they measure satisfaction?

Notice that I haven’t numbered these; I can’t tell you “when” these questions should be asked during the interview. Every recruiter and hiring manager has their own blueprint for how they want the interview to proceed but I can tell you that at points in every interview you’ll have the chance to ask every question. Let’s break each one down a bit more:

What are the problems of the company that you hope to solve? Easiest question to demonstrate interviewing like a consultant. Whereas the job description you read that sparked our interest in the first place was task oriented, you’re hired to solve problems – and these are only rarely on a job description. You’re going to have to fish for them… “I’m very curious about the underlying group or organizational issues that I will be asked to work on if we both agree that I should join the company. Can you describe the most pressing short-term – inside 90 days – and longer term – perhaps 12 months out – problem that I would be responsible for solving?” Whatever is given as an answer, drill down and ask questions about things that are unclear to you. Offer up mini-solutions but as you drill down, re-visit these mini-solutions and update your point of view.

What are they presently doing? This can be woven in with the first question. “My first impression is that you should consider doing [something]; where are you at this point in time in identifying and implementing a solution and what are these?” Again, another opportunity to play consultant and drill down into their response. If their path towards a solution is one that doesn’t appear obvious, ask them how and why this path was selected. Your ultimate goal here is to understand how the managers, people, and culture blend. Better to ask than to go over the waterfall in a barrel!

What has been previously tried and why did these methods succeed or fail? Fact: The company might have a mixed history of attempting to improve a problem; you need to identify and assess their successes and failures during the course of the interview. There isn’t one company on the planet that hasn’t experienced peaks and valleys so don’t believe it when someone tries to sell you that all is hunky dory; since failure teaches, be prepared to ask, “What did you learn from your failed solution?” and be ready to offer your own frank of how you might have fared.

What resources – internal and external – will be made available? Will you be an individual contributor with no one but a team of three (Me, Myself, and I) asked to build the entire social media program or will you be part of group of similar wonks and wonkettes? Will your external resources be limited to what you can Bing or Google, or will you have the tools and brainpower of an external marketing agency? Each will color how you approach a solution and engage in a conversation with the recruiting team.

Do they have a vision for the work that you will perform? Careful here folks – because if they do, then they might already have a plan of action in place and your input might not matter. Ask that this plan be described in drill down in the areas where you’re unclear of the underlying assumptions, logic tracks, tools to be used, ad nauseum. Would you be willing to work under these circumstances? You’re going to have to be honest with your core needs because if you and the company/hiring manager aren’t in agreement (perhaps agreement is too VP of me but it’s sufficient to be uncomfortable with the path to be taken), you can be sure that future roads will be very bumpy.

What are the time constraints? Based on your questioning and the paths taken during other parts of the interview, you discover that the company is convinced they can roll out a new system in a period of time that makes you queasy. “That seems to me to be quite aggressive. What are your assumptions? What if something unforeseen happens? For example, what if…” If you’re not comfortable with the critical path requirements, I’d suggest you let them know while still offering alternative points of view.

What budget has been allocated and what factors would cause this budget to deviate? Vendors will frequently sell killing-the-cockroach-with-an-atom-bomb solution when a BB gun would suffice (in recruiting, we see this with applicant tracking systems). Getting a handle on how the budget for a project was created will offer insight into how the existing team “thinks” about allocating people and product. Asking about factors would cause these allocated resources to change will provide you with roadmap of sand traps and steep embankments that were considered…or not. If a discussion of budget deviation produces “Hmmm” and “We didn’t consider that” then you have an opportunity to discuss the items or scenarios that might derail a project and impact your ability to succeed.

What risks are you and the company willing to take? This area is one that is probably based more on personal ethics than risk management. I like running up stairs; you might prefer the elevator. We get to our destination but we differ in how we do it. As you drill down into the problems and solutions you also want to begin forming your sense of how receptive the company might be to outside-the-box thinking and solutions – if that’s you. “Steve, I might approach the problem like this but I’m uncertain as to how you would react to it; would it be too over-the-edge for you or the company?” Better to ask, engage, and discuss than to be labeled an outlier in your thinking.

Who are the customers and how do they measure satisfaction? Consultants know that their performance is gauged against both a dashboard that is quantitative and subjective. Subjective satisfaction is more about alignment with goals and while good scores (smile sheets) feel good, they frankly are limited. The quantitative portion is easier to assess but more difficult to nail down; when identifying the problems (first question), the investigation naturally falls into a line of questions and answers that speaks to desired results. Face it, when you’re solving problems, you’re effectively improving performance from one state to another. If the company’s social media strategy has only generated 100 Fans of their Facebook page, they really believe the proper strategy can generate 1000, and your input helps them gain 2500 fans, well that’s a home run in any ballpark. In this case, your performance-focused questioning discovered that 1000 Fans would make the customer really happy but 1500 would make them orgasmically happy. 2500? Oh my…

In the end, consultants collect data before proffering a solution…an educated solution. How frequently have you left an interview without knowing the real parameters of the role? A consultant is not afraid to ask questions that on their face, sound simple or just plain silly. I don’t care how little experience you have – be curious, be inquisitive, be engaged.

Think about the parable of the twelve blind men touching then describing the elephant…as you’re leaving the interview, do you know it’s an elephant?

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